Dan DiDio: DC Comics' All Star
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Rik Offenberger
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Dan DiDio joined DC Comics in
January of 2002 with no prior
comic experience; DC took a risk
on Dan. It was a risk that
worked out well for DC. Now Dan
is taking a few risks with the
DC Universe himself. Dan took a
few minutes out of his day to
talk about a few of DC’s current
projects.
Rik Offenberger: Let us
start with Identity Crisis,
was is ever considered a risk,
going back to the 70s, taking
the heroes who were in a more
innocent world, and retrofitting
them into a much more violent
world?
Dan DiDio: Absolutely,
everything we try to do has some
risk involved. I believe if you
are not taking chances and
putting your characters through
the hoops, some of the value of
the story might be lost along
the way. We try to put risk into
everything. I think if the fans
know we are taking chances, they
are going to be more emotionally
involved. There is a sense of
the unexpected coming from the
storytelling.
Offenberger: Identity
Crisis was a tremendous hit
going into a 7th printing and
spinning off four mini series
and heading into Infinite
Crisis…
DiDio: Exactly, that was
a purpose. We really wanted to
push the subject matter, to
present our characters in a new
light and set a new tone for the
DCU. Some of the things that
used to comfortable and familiar
were thrown out the window so we
could have a new sense of danger
and excitement in the DCU and
hopefully a new level of
intrigue.
Offenberger: …if this
project had not been successful
now, what would DC do for the
next 2 years?
DiDio: We have a
storyline and a direction we
want to push the DC Universe,
this is something I feel very
strongly about, and this is
something that is a part of my
agenda and my position here. So
realistically speaking, the
current level of success is just
icing on the cake. What we want
to do is present a new
contemporary tone for the DCU.
Hopefully, we will be able to
keep the long-term fans exciting
with what we are doing, bring
back the lapsed fans and bring
in new fans all at the same
time.
Offenberger: With
Identity Crisis selling out
as well as all the mini-series
selling out, it this a situation
where the sales are
astronomically high or is this a
situation where the retailers
under ordered?
DiDio: The initial orders
were stronger then we projected,
we were very happy with them. We
saw the excitement and energy
building off of Countdown,
and Bob Wayne, (VP-Sales &
Marketing) made the decision to
overprint in higher percentages.
When all those books sold out
before they even hit the stands,
it showed that Bob made the
right bet, and more importantly
it showed that the fans were
buying into and were excited
about what we were doing here.
Offenberger: Absolutely,
because everything is selling
out.
DiDio: It is a lot of
fun, we could comment on how we
are selling out to the
retailers, but the thing that
excites me more is that the
retailers are selling out to the
fans. There aren’t any copies on
the shelves. I think that shows
the level of excitement and
energy out there. People are out
there looking for our books and
that is the type of positive
momentum we always want to
build.
Offenberger: The mini
series are an odd mix. DC has no
outer space based series, and
here is Rann/Thanagar War.
DC is not currently using any of
there magic based heroes and yet
here is Days of Vengeance.
Likewise OMAC was never a
popular comic nor was
Checkmate. Secret Society
of Super Villains was only
moderately successful. How was
this mix picked for the mini
series?
DiDio: The goal was to
present the four different
corners of the DC Universe, four
different flavors. Everyone
thought that if you buy one
mini-series you have to buy them
all. That was never the plan.
They are four different types of
stories with four different
directions in four different
styles. One of the great
strengths of the DC Universe and
DC Comics in general is the
great diversity. We talk about
the science fiction aspect in
the Rann/Thanagar War,
sci-fi books like Adam
Strange were a cornerstone
of the DC Universe for tens of
years. The same thing with the
magical characters, we lost
focus on magic in the DCU,
although this is an extremely
viable concept, the purpose of
these mini series is to make
people excited about these
themes again so that we can
branch out and create new series
and new stories from them.
Offenberger: One of the
key events in Crisis on
Infinite Earths was the
death of the Flash. That
lead to a new Flash
series, Are we going to see a
new Blue Beetle series at
end of Infinite Crisis?
DiDio: We have a lot of
things coming out of Infinite
Crisis and like I have said
form the beginning of the year,
the Blue Beetle is an
essential part of the story.
Offenberger: Likewise, DC
has put a huge commitment behind
Seven Soldiers. What does
DC do if they commit to that
many mini series?
DiDio: We committed on
the strength of Grant Morrison.
You had to sit in on the pitch.
Grant sold me on the first
sitting with his scope, vision
and ideas. The thing that gets
me most excited is finding ways
to make the marginal characters
exciting and interesting again.
That’s what really gets me
going. I know we can put out big
exciting Superman,
Batman and JLA
comics. That’s what we are
supposed to do; but when we make
these other characters
interesting, get people invested
in them and want to read more
about them, then we have done a
better job then if we made the
other books into 100,000
sellers.
Offenberger: Is it
possible to tell if a project is
going to be successful before it
is published?
DiDio: Good question, I
wish it were true. The good part
of the direct market is that it
has a pulse and a beat that you
can pretty well read. You can
tell, based on characters and
creators what has a chance and
what doesn’t. Our goal has
always been to walk into that a
little more blindly. Look at a
project on its own merits. See
if its something that we believe
strongly in publishing. If we
think it adds value to the DC
Universe as a whole, we will go
ahead with the series and hope
that people will find it and
enjoy it as much as we do in
creating it. You don’t want to
get stuck in a rut of just
creating things you think are
going to sell to the biggest
crowd. Granted, that is what we
want, we want to sell more
comics to more people, but we
have to take some level of
creative risk, we have to take
some chances. If something like
Breach isn’t selling
well, or something like
Manhunter struggles to find
an audience, I still feel very
strongly about those books and I
am glad that we are putting them
out. You have to take the
chances, go back to the 70s on
the newsstand. They didn’t know
how comics were going to sell,
they didn’t know how they were
selling until they had the first
four issues out there. To keep
moving forward, You had to take
a chance. The bottom line is
that we don’t want to be out
there when someday the world
wakes up and doesn’t want to
read a super hero comic, and we
have nothing else out there to
meet their needs. We should
always be trying new ideas and
new concepts to reach the widest
audience possible.
Offenberger: Around the
corner, is the launch of the All
Star line.
DiDio: I think that’s
going to do well (laughs)
Offenberger: If I were to
guess, I would guess you're
right. Why did you do a separate
imprint with the All Star line?
DiDio: It’s not really a
separate imprint; it’s a
separate ideal. Although we are
building such a cohesive
universe for the DCU, I still
want to do books that will
attract the casual reader. A
casual audience whose only
contact with Batman and
Superman might not be
from the comics but from the
movies, TV or cartoons. There
are certain conceits in
Batman and Robin that stay
true in every incarnation of
those characters. These books
are created to literally reach
the widest audience possible,
and not just the comic book
audience, but anyone who has
ever wanted to read or see
anything about Superman
or Batman.
Offenberger: What
happened with All-Star
Superman? It was originally
planned for an August release
and now it has been moved back
to December.
DiDio: I have to laugh at
the concept that a book is
running late before we even
scheduled it. We don’t want to
get into a situation where we
run into problems later on down
the line. The book is coming
together on pace. We are really
happy with the early material.
The first issue is already done.
I made a promise to myself that
we would have enough material to
be able to put it out on a
consistent basis. We have a lot
of excitement and energy coming
off All Star Batman and Robin.
We have Justice coming
out the month after that. I
haven’t set a date for All
Star Superman. I am waiting
to have a couple of issues done
and then see what is the best
month to roll it out.
Offenberger: So it’s not
really scheduled yet?
DiDio: It never was
scheduled. We sat down and
talked about it and we would
have loved for all these books
to come out closer together, but
you have to realize we are
waiting for Grant and Frank to
finish up WE3 and this is
a book we want to be the best it
can be. I am not rushing
anything here.
Offenberger: Why was
Hal Jordan brought back to
the DC Universe, instead of
doing an All Star Green
Lantern with Hal Jordan
and the regular book with
Kyle Rayner?
DiDio: We all talk about
bring Hal Jordan back but
I don’t believe he was ever
gone. I challenge many of the
fans out there. In the ten years
Hal Jordan is supposed to
have been gone, have you ever
gone six months without seeing
him appear in the Green
Lantern costume in a DC
book. Hal is so ingrained into
that character. Kyle has been an
interesting replacement and a
strong one at times. The best
way to present the character,
the best character for that
role, has always been Hal
Jordan. That’s the character
I wanted to have interact with
the DC Universe as we built this
more cohesive universe. I have
always felt that Hal has been
the stronger of the two.
Offenberger: I agree.
DiDio: That’s a personal
opinion. On the other hand Kyle
is an extremely viable character
and is important to what goes on
in Infinite Crisis and
beyond Infinite Crisis.
Offenberger: We have
heard about All-Star
Superman, Batman and
Wonder Woman. What other All
Star titles can we expect?
DiDio: We are never going
to see All Star Creeper,
as much as everybody seems to be
clamoring for it. (laughs)
Because of the iconic nature of
the concept, it is very hard to
go beyond some of those core
characters. We always talk about
the generational aspect of the
DC Universe. Flash,
Green Lantern or
Manhunter have a
generational sense, but
Superman, Batman and
Wonder Woman aren’t really
generational characters.
Superman is Clark Kent,
Batman is Bruce Wayne,
and we move forward from there.
As the rest of the world ages
around them, Batman and
Superman never really
age. That makes them truly icons
in my mind and because of that
they can really get the All Star
approach to them. I didn’t want
to do and I have no plans to do
an All Star Justice League,
because what is an iconic
version of Justice League?
It’s an evolving book and one
that keeps changing it’s cast
based on of whatever time the
series takes place or whichever
characters are hot at that
moment. These books really have
to be able to stand the test of
time for the widest audience
possible. I don’t expect to
expand this line further than
three to four books.
Offenberger: That
certainly sets it apart from the
ultimate titles.
DiDio: It’s a different
ideal. The Ultimates are an
alternate continuity and the
competition is building that
identity even stronger than it
is right now. All Star is
something that should stand on
it’s own.
Offenberger: The most
notable part of your tenure has
been the tremendous rise in
exclusive contracts. What is the
advantage for DC?
DiDio: Great press
releases (laughs). That’s not
the truth.
Offenberger: I know.
DiDio: I come from a
television animation background,
where the people you are in
business with and working with
on a regular basis are under
contract for you. If I have
talent I am looking to do long
term business with, it only
makes sense to put them under
contract. It gives them a sense
of security with a guarantee of
work for an extended period of
time and it gives me a level of
comfort because it allows me to
make long term plans knowing
that I will have certain
creators who will be with me for
the long term. It gives a level
of comfort on both sides and
when you have that consistency
in the talent and you know you
are going to have their
attention for a long period, you
are able to really plan ahead
and build to better things. More
importantly, if I know who is
going to be with me three years
from now, I can plan book three
years from now, knowing that
that particular talent will be
available.
Offenberger: Some of the
creators seem to sign these
contracts and the leave early,
for example, Tom Raney was under
a two-year exclusive back in
September 2003, and yet he
signed a two-year exclusive with
Marvel in December 2004. How
does that happen?
DiDio: Tom did not leave
early. Tom, to his credit,
worked to the term of his
agreement. He didn’t leave
early. That was the contract.
Offenberger: When it was
announced it was a two-year
contract.
DiDio: You may have the
wrong start date on that. Tom
was here for two years. He did a
great job for us on Outsiders
and I was sorry to see him go.
Offenberger: Other
creators sign exclusives and we
do not see any work from them,
like Joshua Middleton, who
signed an exclusive contract and
we have not seen any work yet.
Do these people go without pay
until their project comes out,
or does DC pay them when they do
not produce any work?
DiDio: A lot of these
guys, like Frank Quietly, who
are under contract are working,
you just haven’t seen it yet.
We’re not ready to put the books
out. You have to approach
things, when producing books, in
a realistic fashion. You have to
understand how fast a person
moves. If he can only produce
six books a year, he doesn’t
become a monthly guy just
because he signs a monthly
contract. We want to build
strength, consistency,
continuity in projects, and put
these things out in a timely
fashion. So we like to get them
up there working, we put their
books in a drawer until we are
ready to put them out on a
regular basis. With Josh
Middleton, he has been working
on First Thunder for a
while now, the first two issues
are done already, and prior to
that he did some work for
Wildstorm. When someone signs a
contract with DC it’s not just
DC. It includes the DC Universe,
it includes Wildstorm, it
includes Vertigo and other areas
of the company. That’s one of
the attractive things about
signing a deal with DC. You do
have many options available to
you. It is not just doing one
flavor for an extended period of
time.
Offenberger: Talking
about Wildstorm, what do you see
as the difference between the DC
Universe and Wildstorm? Why do
you keep them separate?
DiDio: You know that’s a
great question, because we
always like to make sure we keep
them feeling different. We talk
about making the DC Universe a
more risky, dangerous place. But
at the end of the day the one
thing you know is that the
heroes will prevail. We are
building a world where our
heroes are working very hard to
make their world a better place.
The Wildstorm Universe is a
little more aggressive in some
places. It’s been described as a
frat party, a lot more crazy, a
lot more shooting from the hip.
There is a lot of fun,
excitement and more
unpredictability that comes from
the Wildstorm Universe, than the
DCU.
Offenberger: Thank you
for taking the time to catch our
reads up with what is going on
in the DC Universe.
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