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Tommy Troy, Spiderman

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:47 am
by Rik
Joe Simon created Spiderman with C.C. Beck.
Before turning in the proposal Joe Simon changed the name of young Tommy Troy from Spiderman to the Silver Spider.
He turned in the proposal to Harvey Comics, who never published it.
Originally the villain was the Fly.
When Harvey failed to publish it he got together with Jack Kirby, who redrew the C.C. Beck pages and they submitted it to Archie.
When it was redrawn they changed the roles of the Spider and the Fly, so the hero was the Fly (still Tommy Troy) and the villain was the Spider.
Later Jack Kirby told Stan Lee about Joe Simon's Spiderman and Stan turned it into Spider-Man, who ironically removed Jack Kirby from the art and replacing him with Steve Ditko.

I was thinking it would be fun to put together a Silver Spider Gallery, if anyone is interested in submitting a Silver Spider drawing

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:15 pm
by Captain Sprocket
There is an informative chapter about The Fly/Silver Spider in Joe Simon's book "The Comic Book Makers." Could you post on the website the story and artwork for all the fans to see?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:19 pm
by Rik
I did put up this ... spider.htm

I can't directly copy the pages from the Joe's book.

However I will put up scans of the CC Beck pages

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 10:11 pm
by Rik
Jon Knutson e-mailed me his version of the Silver Spider, making him the first! :D


Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 10:55 pm
by Rik
As requested the Silver Spider pages



Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:01 am
by Rik
Jon Knutson sent a follow up Silver Spider...


While looking over the pages on the Silver Spider in Simon's book, I happened to read over the memo that Sid Jacobson wrote to Leon Harvey... and bearing what he said in mind, I decided to do a "re-imagined" Silver Spider, attached.

I decided to ignore the whole antennae idea of his, as spiders don't really have 'em... and instead designed a mask with "fangs" to give it a more spider-y appearance. I also tried to keep in mind insect-based characters like Ant-Man and the Blue Beetle, and use some elements of those costumes in the design. Hope you like!


Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:58 pm
by EJM
This is incredible! Where did you get this stuff from?

I recently obtained the FLY, Collected edition with a forward by Joe Simon. There he talked about the questionable creation of Spider-Man By Stan Lee.

Thanks for sharing!

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:38 pm
by Rik
EJM wrote:Wow,
This is incredible! Where did you get this stuff from?

I recently obtained the FLY, Collected edition with a forward by Joe Simon. There he talked about the creation of Spider-Man his questionable creation.

Thanks for sharing!
The art was published in "The Comicbook Makers"
Joe is planing on releasing the first issue at some point.

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 6:12 pm
by EJM
That's very interesting. I hope that he does print this Silver Spider information, I would really like to see the direction and developement of the character.

While I was reading the first installments of the FLY I thought that CC Becks invlovement with the character was interesting. The similarities to the character of Captain Marvel could not be dismissed in the creation of the FLY. The idea of a young boy becoming an all powerful hero is a timeless theme and is something that always appeals to comic fans no matter their age.

Thank Rik

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:23 pm
by Rik
Entry from Alex Wright

I do hope you like it. I did the best I could working with the coloured mini and the b&w sketch. I think he looks pretty cool anyway.


Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:00 am
by AdMan
Joe is planing on releasing the first issue at some point.

Rik, do you mean Joe Simon's going to release the first issue of the Silver Spider?

Do you know if C.C. Beck penciled the entire story? How would ink Beck's work?

Wow! As a long time fan of C.C. Beck, I can't wait 'til this hits the stands. (Of course, this would have been a nice addition to the Fly TPB, too!)


Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:23 am
by Rik
On his site he said he was planning on publishing the Silver Spider.
It also said that he was planning on publishing Shieldmaster.
They did get Fighting American published at Marvel with a reprint Master Work and as a new series both at DC and Awesome so these things do happen eventually.

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:52 pm
by Rik

A Talk With Joe Simon,
one of the great innovators
from the Golden Age of comic books
Interviewed by Dan Whitehead, The Web magazine


What was your involvement with the creation of Spiderman?
There's an interesting story behind Spiderman. I don't want to go into it fully here, but I can tell you that back in 1953 I created a superhero, a young man with spider-like qualities. I put the character in a presentation for a publisher and entitled it Spiderman. I designed the Spiderman logo. I had Clarence Beck do the penciled sketches. He was the predominant artist for Captain Marvel, the man who gave Captain Marvel its special comic style, and I believe he came out of semi-retirement to work with me on this. At the last minute, I changed the name from Spiderman to the Silver Spider. I thought at the time there were just too many 'man' titles around,-Superman, Batman, that stuff. I took the presentation up to Harvey Comics where it languished. I kind of forgot about it after a while. I was onto new projects. I wasn't looking back; there was no time to look back. You went on; you created.
In the late 1950s, Archie Comics asked me to create a new line of superheroes. I gave the Silver Spider sketches to Jack Kirby and I changed the name again, this time to The Fly. Jack held onto the sketches and when Stan Lee asked Jack for new ideas, Jack brought the original Spiderman pages to Marvel Comics. Jack was busy with other work so Stan handed the pages over to Steve Ditko. Ditko, on first seeing those pages, commented, "This is Joe Simon's Fly." Steve Ditko worked up his own version of the character's costume. The comic that was published was called Spider-man. Marvel had stuck a hyphen in between the Spider and the man, for trademark reasons I suppose. Jack told me this years later. A few years before he passed on, he sent me back my original Spiderman logo. WebMaster's Note: Jack Kirby's admission is printed in Will Eisner's Spirit Magazine. Steve Ditko's "eye-witness" account is printed in Comic Book Artist/Alter Ego, Winter, 1999; Jon Morrow, Publisher and Roy Thomas/Jon B. Cook, Editors, courtesy of Robin Snyder's History of the Comics


Joe Simons original Spiderman sketch


Joe Simon prototyped the Silver Spider in the early 1950s. The Silver Spider was Tommy Troy, a young boy who morphs into a full-grown superhero after wishing on a spiderweb-covered mystical ring that he finds in the attic of an old house. Note that the sketch you are viewing has been dithered and altered so as not to be reproduced. The original is in our library. Joe Simon plans to do a reproduction of this historic character, this time in full color! The curious lineage of The Silver Spider, The Fly, and Spider-Man makes for a mysterious thread of comic book history, weaving among the talents of Joe Simon, CC. Beck, Jack Kirby, Stan Lee and Steve Ditko. For the full story on the Silver Spider and the birth of Spider-Man, see The Comic Book Makers as well as Jack Kirby's interview in Will Eisner's Spirit magazine.

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:04 pm
by Press Guardian
Lot's of Silver Age fun,

I wish I could draw, :cry:

Then I counld enter a picture.

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:50 pm
by Rik
From our friend Stacy Baugher
The Silver Spider's Car